California EV won't start

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I have A 2005 California EV ( Hydraulic valves)

The other day I decided to oil the control cables.

The fast idle cable I disconnected from the lever end.

The throttle cables I disconnected from the capstan on the throttle assembly and the twist
grip.

All Oiled and replaced The bike started as usual.

Went for a 70mil run next day all running fine but the idle
would not fall below 1400 to 1500 RPM.

At a friend’s I slackened off the opening cable but it made
no difference so left till I got home.

At home took off the throttle body covers and had a good look
round all items were on their stops I disconnected all the cables but it made
no difference ( There was plenty of free play any way)

Now read the manual as I hadn’t much idea of what did what.

Found the idle speed control screws on my throttle body’s they
run up from underneath.

with engine running I screwed the right in and then the
left, then engine gave a slight cough
and stopped.



Good I thought I just back them off 1-1/4 turns and see if I
can adjust the idle speed .

But now the bike won’t start. It cranks fine but doesn’t fire or even attempt
to.

I left it a day or two but no difference, I disconnected the
ground on the battery for a time, reconnected
but made no difference. I have checked
all local connections all seem sound on switching on the ignition the pumps
runs up and then stops.

I invested in one of those programs you put in a laptop to
try and read any fault codes, but all that’s done is mess up the lap top.

I am in Devon so no Guzzi dealer nearby and as the bikes not
running so will be difficult in getting
to one.

So Anyone have any ideas as to what to look for?

I have also posted in General a request for recommendations for
a diagnostic tool or program suitable for looking for faults and keeping the
bike in tune.

So any advice will be very appreciated.

Regards Bill















































































































































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Really silly question for you, do you have any spark ?

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have a look on greg benders site. “this old tractor” you might get some ideas from ther. not a teki so cant help,

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A general rule, for future reference, if the bike displays a fault just after you have done something, then it’s almost certainly what you did which caused it.In this case you removed the fast idle cable then replaced it, and from then on could not get the idle below 1400.

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WARNING!! be very carefull checking for a spark. If you turn over the engine without the plugs earthed you can blow the ECU. About £150 to repair. Guess how I know.
Have you swapped the relays around?
Even if the cable snapped, fell out or moved to the moon, It should still fire up.

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… then it stopped working altogether when the screws were fiddled with.

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Thanks to all.

I was just going to post a reply of thanks and what I have found.
BUT!

The problem looks like the petrol pipe in the tank has come
off ??

I found this by First spraying some petrol into the air box
and Low the engine fired.

So I concluded It has to be fuel related.

I decided to disconnect the hose from the tank and slip on a
spare piece so I could see how much fuel I was getting.

Well none is the answer yes the pump runs but no fuel.

After several attempts at looking into the tank filler with
a torch I can just see petrol shooting out of what I presume is the pipe nipple
on the filter ? From this and a look at the manual I surmise its the internal fuel
pipe come off.

The But =Thought I do a search on the problem and now I have found
the thread on pipe and filter problem, have ordered a new filter and gasket.

So the Non start fault Had nothing to do with My trying to adjust
the idle speed.

Just a very Misleading coincidence.

Guess I am Lucky it happened in the workshop and not on the
road. at least it is some consolation.

Regards Bill















































































































































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Glad you got it sorted. By the way, the rubber gasket on the fuel pump flange is normally reusable. They can be difficult to get out of the tank though, helped a guy with this problem in a car park in France a few years ago. We got some jubilee clips and refixed the pipe. Though there is now a new more flexible pipe available.You still had the high tickover issue, which would not be related to total lack of fuel, so it might be worth checking both ends of the fast idle cable to make sure they are all correct.

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Ok its all back together now and running’

Yes it is a little fiddly to get out if it’s your first
time.

On my unit it was the supply from the pump to the filter
inlet that had come off.

It look like it was once a clear soft plastic and had just
come off the filter nipple??

it did look a bit sorry for its self so replaced with a new piece
of reinforced flex hose that supposed to be for modern petrol.

The outlet is a formed and corrugated plastic which look
fine so just replaced the clip.Yes I could have reused the gasket but as I had a new one I replaced it.

I used my tank bag to steady the tank on the
well protected bench.

Again thanks for the help

Bill Dag















































































































































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